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Flexible Deadlines?
<Eva Alcalde Venegas> ahh! > hi guys <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hi"! <rahmi yetri kasri> hi.. <rahmi yetri kasri> kjell, I have a question regarding the local project and organizations. > good! :) <rahmi yetri kasri> can I postpone submitting my report? [Sun May 25 15:21:44 CEST 2008] Seif > why is that? <rahmi yetri kasri> I have to submit my thesis in 2 weeks and I've only managed to visit one so far:-D > hi Seif <Seif> Hi Kjell, hi all <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hi! [Sun May 25 15:22:19 CEST 2008] Maren <Eva Alcalde Venegas> Hi Maren <Maren> Hello to everybody! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> Hello! > oh, I see > so you are working hard on your thesis <Seif> I am sorry I missed the last chat, but I really am very tied up with time, I have finals throught the coming 3 weeks, so wish me luck! <rahmi yetri kasri> Good luck seif... <Eva Alcalde Venegas> I wish you the best! > when would you like to visit the other organizations/projects and submit the report? > actually, I am in a similar situation as you guys <rahmi yetri kasri> @kjel, I'll visit the other one next week, so I think by the end of this month I can submit two reports:-D > I have 8 different exams in the next two months coming up, next one is Tuesday morning :/ [Sun May 25 15:25:07 CEST 2008] Maren <Seif> I actually have one tomorrow, one of the worst!! Risk and Insurance, grrr! Good luck with your exams and papers everyone :) > :) > Rahmi, do you mean end of May or end of June? <rahmi yetri kasri> mai. [Sun May 25 15:27:37 CEST 2008] Seif
Visits to organizations you know well
<Eva Alcalde Venegas> I have a cuestion too! I work for an institution which one of the main issues is sustainable development. It is possible to submit a report from my own organisation ellaborated by myself? > ok, no problem [Sun May 25 15:28:35 CEST 2008] Seif > that's the deadline for those reports anyway ;) <Seif> i missed the deadline, got disconnected.. would you repeat that, Kjell > hmm Eva, that's a good question <Eva Alcalde Venegas> and I meet as well two more, but I can not visit them because they are in my country and now I am far from it!! > submitting the report of your visits until end of May is fine > the deadline is May 31st <Seif> o O, lol > well, actually the idea behind those visits is that you get to know more organizations and projects than you already do > so it is not, if you already know two or three, you can skip it > I would rather have you go visit the other ones that you don't know about yet > it could also be to get to know better some projects or activities that the organizations you already do know are doing, but you haven't really looked into so far > does that make sense to you, Eva? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes yes <Eva Alcalde Venegas> I totally agree <rahmi yetri kasri> yes, I agree too ^_^ > so, I formulated the task so that everybody who starts from zero feels fine > but the ones who are already experts like you [Sun May 25 15:34:14 CEST 2008] Seif > I am sure there are still things that you can learn! :) <Seif> definately > as for different countries, that's also a good question <Seif> can you like give us a quick example of such organisations at your home country <Eva Alcalde Venegas> But It would be the only way to submit reports! because It is too difficult to meet with organisation on the weekend! the rest of the week i cann´t live my work until 8 p.m > Rosario is about to come from Mexico to Germany <Eva Alcalde Venegas> !! > so should she do it in her home city in Mexico or here in Germany? > you are free to choose > but if you are not there, of course it is more difficult to really get a good impression of the work > I would suggest that you rather pick the ones in the city where you live <Maren> but then maybe an alternative would be to call them and speak on the phone...so that you get at least an impresssion of their work... > exactly <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes <Eva Alcalde Venegas> ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> So it would be the solutioN! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> great! > look, if you want to visit them and will visit them, but there is an important reason (such as submitting your thesis in a few days or having to work until 8 pm) then I will be happy to give you some extra time! <rahmi yetri kasri> regarding the type of organization, it can be anything right? such as research centre, NGO, schools??? > did you get my last message about the extra time? > if the school is making some contribution towards a sustainable future, sure > some examples from my city would be <rahmi yetri kasri> extra time? > my city is very active in "climate protection" > they are helping citizens to insulate their houses better and save energy > so there is an institution for that <Eva Alcalde Venegas> good thing! > and then there is an NGO called BUND, they are members of Friends of the Earth and they try to raise awareness and fight any destruction of nature and the environment > whether it is particular natural areas in the region or more general things like laws and regulations > and then there is a small action group for the climate > things like that > but it could also be the organic farmers in the region <rahmi yetri kasri> we have some schools here in norway that work on the ecological food. basically the idea comes from the sustainable development but it is slighly different now, > or the fair trade shops with their networks > or the institutions that are trying to raise awareness > or Attac > there are lots of different groups/projects/initiatives/organizations <Seif> i relaly like the climate protection issue and saving energy because simply energy was the MAIN issue in the last world economic forum! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes > oh, Rahmi, about extra time I was saying that if you need extra time for the visits because of your thesis or work schedules, I will be happy to give you extra time so that you can do it > btw, we are all an hour and a half early! :) <rahmi yetri kasri> @ thank you very much. I will submit final report on the second week of june, but I'll to make it earlier if i can.
Time confusion?
<Seif> lol, you cant imagine how confusing it was to get the correct GMT time! Everywhere has different hours, even the timetracker website <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes! I weak up early and I was alone! <rahmi yetri kasri> yes.. because in the timetracker, the 3 GMT supposes to be in 15 minutes or 4 pm Oslo time.. > no, take a look! > it is 1:50 GMT <Eva Alcalde Venegas> where???????????? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> I can´t believe! hahaha > in UK it is 2:50, but thats because they have daylight saving time > timetracker.com > well, but we're already a merry group, so that doesn't matter ;) <Eva Alcalde Venegas> ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> so, Where is the point of reference, Germany? > no, universal GMT > yeah, I am not so nationalist ;) <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hahahahha <Eva Alcalde Venegas> I am totally confuse! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> I am in Caracas > did you take a look at timeticker.com? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> and here it is 9:23 in the morning <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes yes! > not 9:53?? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> no! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> Chavez changes the hour! > so it seems that you are half an hour off <Eva Alcalde Venegas> it is half an hour less! > ok, I see [Sun May 25 15:57:08 CEST 2008] Rahmi > I think in India they have something like that as well <Rahmi> sorry i was DC:-D <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes? > in Mexico they also call the daylight saving time "Hora de Fox" > (like president Fox) > and the other time "Hora de Dios" > ("God's time") <Eva Alcalde Venegas> really?? I didn´t know! > so I guess, Chavez is not the only one ;) <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes of course! the world is empty of weird people! > :) <Eva Alcalde Venegas> .-) [Sun May 25 16:01:56 CEST 2008] ayla > Hello Ayla <ayla> helo <Eva Alcalde Venegas> Hello! <ayla> happy to be here > :)
Turkish politics
<ayla> what were you talking > about presidents changing their country's time > like Hugo Chavez or Vicente Fox > how are things over in Turkey? <ayla> here they try to change our life, > who? <ayla> the president, the government > oh really? > like what? <ayla> they try to move us to a religious path rather than laic > hmm, that's interesting > I thought that in Turkey the separation between the state and religion was very strong.... <ayla> we need to be sustainable for our regime > what do you mean with "sustainable for our regime"? <ayla> it was and still seems to be, but there is a group with big finance from arabic countries ı am afraid, feeds the poor and gets their votes > hmm <Rahmi> vote for the religious path? <Rahmi> big finance from arabic countries?? <ayla> we have a democracy now established by Atatürk. But now the money they have threatens our regime. We have to be strong enough to sustain the rights we had from atatürkx > do you also get big investments from Arabic countries in Indonesia, Rahmi? <Rahmi> I believe so:-) <ayla> ok it seems to be a political discussion now > are you worried about the state becoming more religious, Ayla? > well, I guess we are just learning a bit about each other's political situation <Rahmi> are you worried that becoming religious means becoming less democratic? <ayla> of course.religion means life style. and it can be different as the number of people living <ayla> ı trust that between me and God there is a direct link. <Rahmi> ^_^ <ayla> nobody must decide on my way of believingx <Rahmi> btw, while I'm in Indonesia, we work very close with people from the religios organizations to work with us in the sustainable health issue. <ayla> anyhow what are you doing within the frame of the project <ayla> you can be religious, but you can not force other to act according to the religious terms <ayla> people must be free. <Rahmi> I agree with you on that :-) <ayla> ok Kjell <Eva Alcalde Venegas> me tto > yes? <ayla> the book ı am reading now is The Web of life ımperative by Michael Coen <ayla> cohen <ayla> And as for visits of NGO"s <ayla> the place we live in is so small that there is only one efficient <ayla> the place we live on is called Kaz Dağı... or Ida mountains. <Eva Alcalde Venegas> ah nice <ayla> green with endemic fauna. It has been called as 1000 fountains in the history but now bir global companies are here for gold mining <ayla> we came together and organized a group to stop them. > ok > did you succeed? <ayla> we organize meetings at villages, to explain them why we dont want miners, and that they must not want them, too <ayla> we act as one body to sustain the natural life in the mountains here.
Local Organizations once more
<ayla> so instead of three organizations, ı can only tell about this one, is that ok > Eva had a similar question > she is also very involved > so my answer is the same for you: > this "visit and get to know local organizations/initiatives" is a chance to learn more than what you already know <ayla> Ilocal organizations like municipalities? > so if there is not more in your immediate surroundings, you could pick some organizations or projects that are a bit farther away > and if you cannot visit them you would have to use internet or telephone > that could be an example > it could be anyone who has a stake in making the future more sustainable and in his own way is trying to contribute <Maren> actually a friend of mine was involved in a similar project against mining and informing local population about the consequences in el salvador... If you want I can give you her contact details... > so if the municipality has some initiative in your case, it would be good to see them <ayla> ı can visit a municipality, they have waste water projects > that sounds good! > it is about learning more aspects of sustainable development ;) <ayla> also there is another association just formed to support eco tourism to stop new constructions in the area <ayla> they are an association of mountain hotels > ok, great > those are the kind of links that you need! ;) <ayla> than ı have the chances <ayla> good > :) <Maren> got to go. but wish you a lot of good luck and new insights when visiting the projects! <ayla> why are we so few in participating the chat > thank you Maren! > it is still early > only 2:26 GMT > I guess Eva went back to sleep! :P [Sun May 25 16:27:38 CEST 2008] Eva Alcalde Venegas <ayla> I am 2 hours plus gmt and here it is 17,27 <Rahmi> :-) the time is confusing. > yes, you are GMT +2 (+1 hour daylight saving) > that makes 3 hours ;) <ayla> thats true <ayla> qwhat time is it at your place/ > here it is 4:30 > btw, how is the book, Ayla? > oh there you are, Eva, I thought you went back to sleep! :D <Eva Alcalde Venegas> noooooo! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hahahha <ayla> lovely <Eva Alcalde Venegas> It was my connection! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> it is raining a lot! <ayla> it really hits you <ayla> the book ı mean > sounds good > so are you going to share some ideas with us, or maybe exercises? <ayla> let me give you an example <ayla> there is a natural selection going on. if its your turn, think if nature selects you or not? <ayla> Try to act accordingly to be selected ;) > how do you mean? > reproduction? <ayla> ı dont know, nature will decide on how, > but selection for what? continuing to live, or spreading my ideas, or something else? <ayla> Think it as a whole. If you are spoiling it with your conscious actions, ideas, thought forms, why should it walk with you. even a friend lets us down. > I am not sure I understand yet <Eva Alcalde Venegas> it sounds very very interesting! <ayla> ı promise to find the right words in the book and will send it to you. > :) <ayla> maybe in the wholeness of the book , it hit me. but as a fragment it is nonsense > thank you, I am looking forward > sounds mysterious :) > sometimes sharing helps us to understand better for ourselves! <ayla> we are so numbed to our connections with nature.... so dead that they get hit by parked cars... he says > therefore teaching is a very good way to learn about something! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes <ayla> teaching is very important, people who come to you to learn something will be molded in your hands > that sounds cool [Sun May 25 16:44:10 CEST 2008] cheikh <ayla> hello cheikh <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hello <Eva Alcalde Venegas> the hour is coming! > I think of it more as planting some seeds (ideas) and then watering them with questions and suggestions :) <cheikh> Hi ayla > yeah, that's true <cheikh> Hi all
Ecological soap
<ayla> the village women in this area makes soap with olive oil and water <ayla> ı thought them to make soap with olive oil and goats milk <ayla> it is fantastic <ayla> ı had never tried it. > aha <ayla> when teaching them, ı tried and succeeded too. <ayla> was very happy. they were very happy too. <ayla> and the soap is fantastic... > I had a big surprise about soap as well when I went to the forest in Chiapas > in Germany I am now using the shells of a "fruit" of a tree called soap nut (Sapindus sp.) > it's from India > and I think they are still using it for washing in India > and I even took some of those shells to Mexico for washing my clothes there in a more ecological way <Eva Alcalde Venegas> realY? <ayla> life is fantastic > and then, in one village they offered me a necklace made from seeds > and it was made from soap nut! <Rahmi> is it easy and cheap to get that soap nut? > and then they told me that the tree is called "jaboncillo" <ayla> maybe there is one in the group who can supply it for us > and that their grandparents and before used to use it as soap! <Rahmi> because sometime the issue of having a more ecological way rhymes with more expensive stuffs:-) > but now they don't use it any more > I was quite amazed > I guess you would just have to plant the tree > if it grows in Mexico, it might grow in Turkey....maybe > depends on how humid it is, I guess <ayla> ıf there is no industry to sell us such stuff and if we dont buy their stuffs where will all those people will work > yes, in Germany it is a bit expensive > like 5-10 Euros > but you don't need much either <ayla> ı will try if ı find the seeds ! > 3-4 shells for one full washing machine <ayla> also with washing machine <ayla> wow <ayla> nature has everything in it > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapindus > check this <Eva Alcalde Venegas> as well in spain long time ago women used to make soap with animal fats > yes, I think there are quite a number of ways > at the moment, the industrial detergents are just very cheap > and they are very strong > so on a free market, that's what people will pick <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes it is > and the environmental impact.... > well, it is not always so visible <ayla> N sumğ sd hgz ihup zhg <ayla> N make my own soap now, <Eva Alcalde Venegas> talking about > and for sure the price won't tell you, because the cost of ruining water ecosystems and producing emissions is not included in what you pay <Eva Alcalde Venegas> environmental impacts.. > cool
Books we read
<Eva Alcalde Venegas> my book is about that > once you do that, you use it in a much more conscious way, don't you? > yes, Eva? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes, the name of the book is Growing pains. Environmental management in developing countries > ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> edited by walter wehrmeyer and yacob muluguetta > yes? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> talks about environmental management os a global phenomenon, embracing all businesses in all countries, wheter or not there already exists and organised response to managing environmental impacts. <ayla> thats so nice that you have put thins <ayla> in a book > hmm, do you mean some kind of environmental management is being done anyway, whether people care or not? <ayla> governments take precautions according to the globallawvs [Sun May 25 17:03:58 CEST 2008] Eva Alcalde Venegas <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i was saying..that it was mainly due to the globalisation <ayla> sometimes it a <ayla> has positive effects > what are you reading Cheikh? <ayla> and Rahmi? <cheikh> Sorry I was sending some urgent emails > did you stick to Al Gore's book or pick something else? <cheikh> actually I'm trying another one <cheikh> on forests sustainable use > oh, nice > do you have much forest in Senegal? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes great <cheikh> not so much <cheikh> in the south there's un little bit > I see <cheikh> there is also some mangrove forests <Rahmi> hi.. I'm reading Elizabeth shove's book <Rahmi> clean, confort and cleanliness <Rahmi> basically she's saying that our intention to live comfortable by using more sustainable product create another demand for more product. if we accumulate it is not sustainable at all.. <Rahmi> but, I have to finish it before I can tell you more about it.. [Sun May 25 17:15:36 CEST 2008] ayla > sounds interesting <ayla> nobody new around > Mary is trying to get in > but having trouble <cheikh> ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> ah ok <cheikh> hope there will be more participants than the last one <ayla> is there anyone out side, in a garden? > well, this is just a space for you guys to socialize and ask any questions you might have > I'm in the library <ayla> I am outside, in front of the caravan. on a hill, looking down to the s [Sun May 25 17:20:10 CEST 2008] burcu <ayla> egean sea
Local visits again
<burcu> hello > Hi Burcu <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hello! <burcu> hi, bit late sorry > that sounds nice! <ayla> hello burcu, it has been a long time <cheikh> hi burcu <burcu> yes :) <burcu> how is everyone? <cheikh> good! <ayla> waiting for more participants <burcu> great ! <burcu> ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> fine thanks <burcu> my i ask you all smth? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> nice to meet you! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes <Rahmi> hi too <burcu> (nice to meet you too) <cheikh> yes <burcu> i still havent done my homework on visits <burcu> and im i bit frustrated <burcu> cause i didnt find the time from work to go and visit them <Eva Alcalde Venegas> joint the group! jhaha <Rahmi> :-D <Eva Alcalde Venegas> me the shame! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> same <burcu> would you mind telling what is exactly expected from us? maybe kjell? > yes > sure > :) <burcu> (wow, good to see im not alone) <ayla> third time <burcu> im soo sorry <ayla> today ı am afraid. <burcu> if possible maybe you cpould e mail me > you are asked to go visit three different organizations or projects that have something to do with sustainable development > the main point is for you to go see them and learn about their work <burcu> ok > the report is not a big thing, just a way of making sure that you actually go and do it <burcu> then i have one other question > and share some interesting points with the others <burcu> ok <burcu> my other question is > yes <ayla> dont worry. kjell has the answers <burcu> i work in a sustainable rural development project <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes! <burcu> so would it be also possible to share some things <burcu> on this topics <burcu> or is it cheating? <Rahmi> hmm, seems the same question with eva ^_^ <ayla> and me <burcu> i mean <Eva Alcalde Venegas> definetly Burcu we are in the same situation! what is great... <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i am joking <burcu> if the purpose is <burcu> us finding new ares <burcu> then i shouldnt be talking about my project > yes, you have already answered it yourself! > :) <burcu> great i totaly understand <burcu> :d > we are very lucky to have very involved and engaged people in this course <burcu> then what i could extra do is <burcu> plus three i experience <burcu> i could post smth brief <ayla> visit others and try to understand what they do <burcu> on my project to share with you all > so actually I could just say, well you all already know a lot, let's just skip the homework and meet next month <burcu> ??? > but I am trying to help you guys to learn something new! ;) <burcu> :D <burcu> i agrre <burcu> obligation is good <burcu> i mean for us to learn more
Forum and course "technology"
> yes, of course letting everybody know about the project you are working on is totally fine > actually the introductions also had a little bit that purpose <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i agree <burcu> great, im glad to hear that! one more question.. <burcu> when we write our report > and if at some point during the course the discussion hits onto the topic, I highly encourage you all to share all first-hand experience that you have <burcu> do we send it by mail <burcu> or do we post it in the forum? > good question > let me have a look at the group page <Eva Alcalde Venegas> ok > because actually the forum is a little bit strange > you can't open any new topics <burcu> :) > in the group you can, but it might get a bit messy after a while..... <ayla> so in the forum better? [Sun May 25 17:32:02 CEST 2008] burcu <burcu> sorry i accidentally closed the window :) <burcu> did i miss an answer? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> yes! <burcu> :) > how about we use the forum for the reports you have to write and the group for other discussions! <ayla> hm <burcu> it doesnt differ for me actually, my only worry is that i dont use the forum out of its purpose <burcu> so if you say forum its forum for me <burcu> im ok with anything the group agrees with.. <burcu> and kjell, may i suggest smth? > sure <burcu> could you kindly send the group an emial after todays chat > yes, saying what? <burcu> informing us about the results cause some of us <burcu> cant join at the same time <burcu> and we miss some of the decisions made <burcu> for example this report sharing issue > yes, sure <burcu> thanks > actually, I will post the whole chat on the wiki again > as last time <burcu> oh !! we have that option as well? > did you read the log of the chat the last time? <burcu> oh no.. > sure, actually it doesn't even have to be me <burcu> hmm > everybody can post things on the wiki <burcu> ok <burcu> if not a burden would you mind sharing how we can get there? > but for the moment I am doing it because I know how and I was one of the first here in the chatroom anyway ;) <burcu> ok :) > but Eva and Rahmi, if you talked about something interesting before I came, please send it to me or add it to the wiki page for this chat afterwards! > http://sustainable.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Chat_May_10th > this is the link for the last one <burcu> thank you > I sent it around by mail <burcu> ? wow i definately missed that :) uups, i'll check my mail again now <ayla> ou had only one chat in the pas, no? > yes, this is number two <ayla> ok ı read the last one <Rahmi> we just introduced ourselves before you're online <ayla> in the wiki page you have given the link to check it > ok <Eva Alcalde Venegas> we basically introduced ourselves <ayla> how long shall we stay here? > I just made one with this chat: > http://sustainable.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Chat_May_25th > just have to edit a bit to make it look nicer > and give some structure according to the topics we have been talking about > Ayla, that is fully up to you! ;) <burcu> kjell, i checked my mail but couldnt find the one with the link, could you tell me the date pls? > I am not keeping a list of attendance at this time ;) > just a second <Eva Alcalde Venegas> we are not in the school! [Sun May 25 17:44:53 CEST 2008] francisco <francisco> Hi everybody! <cheikh> hi <francisco> i am sorry for missing the last chat <burcu> hello <francisco> my sis got married <ayla> welcome <francisco> So, how is work? <ayla> everybody is silent > here comes a message from Mary who still can't join this chat room: <Eva Alcalde Venegas> good! <francisco> I posted, on the forum, what I am doing for now (books and research to report) I wonder if it's what we are suposed to do! <francisco> :P <Eva Alcalde Venegas> Kjell you lost conection and we couldn´t read the Mary´s message > oh really? > let me post it again! <francisco> Maybe Kjell could help me about it? Could you, please? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> We talked about that few minutes ago > hmm, it kicked me out again > maybe it is punishing me for trying to copy and paste a long text!! > ok, I'll do it one by one <Eva Alcalde Venegas> USE THE FORUM FOR THE REPORTS WE HAVE TO WRITE AND THE GROUP FOR OTHER DISCUSSIONS > again! I am starting to dislike this :/ > Hi. everyoneI find this course very challenging in that we all have other big task to fulfil like work, school, e.t.c, how, I have taken time to read a book on general Sustainable development and now I have a good understanding of what SD is all about. as for visiting the local project, I have not been able to do , I plan to do that this week, although my organization works in line with SD especially in the area of Economy and Organization.so I still havea lot to learn from my organization > so that's what Mary wanted to say to you <francisco> Thanks
Brief reports!
> ok, so Francisco, can I have your question again? > or did someone already answer? <francisco> not really <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i answer.. <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i think.. <francisco> i was wondering if what i posted on the forum is in the direction of what we are suposed to do <ayla> he has already send his report eva <ayla> but about his works <ayla> not something new for him <francisco> (books, and research to report) <ayla> I think Kjell has to have a look and tell if it is ok or not/ > ok, I just had a look at your report, Francisco <francisco> yes that would be fine, thank you > that's the way to do it > very brief but mentioning the main points > we are 40 people in the course > if everyone sends five pages, you will never get to read it all! <francisco> and i will propably not > so just saying what they do and mentioning any important points or things you learned yourself out of that is totally enough! > of course, if you would like to share some pictures (if you believe that the others will be interested and have some learning effect from looking at them), please share them in the Google Group!
What goes where
<burcu> kjell, even though i've gotten an account i cant log in to the forum <burcu> my name and password is obvious of course but doesnt let me in? > hmm, maybe some problem with the Turkish keyboard? > btw, Burcu, I just checked - I haven't sent you the link to the last chat log! > I first wrote an invitation to this chat without it <burcu> ok > and then somebody asked me so I thought it would be good to mention it to everybody and I put it in the mail <burcu> im also not a member in our google group > and then I sent the mail twice but there was some problem <burcu> i registered again.. > when I finally got to post this invitation to all of you it was the old version, without the link! > so I will definitely post a message to everyone after this chat mentioning some important points and the link to both chat logs <ayla> why do we have two chatrooms <francisco> Kjell, so I will send to everyone, by googlegroups the full reports and some images! <francisco> after endind them, of course :)) <ayla> hardworking boy > @Burcu: yes, you are a member of the google group, with this address: > burcuoz....@par.com.tr > ok, the deal is this: the forum is for the reports you have to write > the google group is for other discussions > but only for things that everybody should read > because it gets sent to everyones email > so if your report is really nice and interesting, and you feel that everyone will enjoy reading it, please send it through the group! <ayla> tnhare is also another chat room with wiki page > if it is kinda interesting, but for busy people maybe too much, I would rather have you post it in the forum > which one do you mean, Ayla? <ayla> on the wiki page <ayla> there is another chat room, like the forum page > on the wiki there is a link to this room > do you mean the one on the YAC page? <ayla> him ok <ayla> yes <ayla> it seems to be complicated, a forum, a chat room, a google group <ayla> a wiki page > yes, it is because I have to draw together all the different resources that are provided for free on the web > but I think that after you get used to it, you will find your way around it easily :) > oh, and there is more! > a blog, a facebook group.... > and that is also part of the learning <ayla> i think you have to write a mail.. giving all the connections at once. > you shall not only learn contentwise <ayla> so we may check them and understand them > you shall also "go home" with some new IT skills! :) > oh, you mean about the different technical features and sites? <ayla> for example today i had a real time on understanding a wiki page, did i, no I did not understand it completely. > that sounds like a good idea <francisco> Understood! Thank you Kjell! <ayla> thats great that i am forced to understand how i can use different OI <ayla> IT means > yes, and if you have any troubles with the technology, please don't hesitate to ask me or your buddy (if you have one) <burcu> i will have to be leaving soon so <burcu> what i understood is <burcu> we will post our brief reports of what we think in the forum right? <ayla> yes <burcu> ok > yes, please <burcu> i think i managed to post my introduction as well.. <burcu> :) <burcu> ok then <burcu> i wish a fruitful week to everyone <burcu> take care.. > thank you <ayla> you, too burcu. <burcu> bye <ayla> ok i wait for the long list of connections <Eva Alcalde Venegas> bye burcu <ayla> blog, wiki, google, chat, forum i dont use facebook... <Eva Alcalde Venegas> nice to meet you, again <ayla> I want to say bye, too. > yes, I will do that together with the email about this chat <ayla> take care all, it was nice to talk to you > good bye, Ayla <ayla> bye <Eva Alcalde Venegas> bye bye ayla
Senegal connections
> Mary is wondering when is she ever going to be able to chat with everyone! > (I said maybe we can have a gmail group chat next time) <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i hope <Eva Alcalde Venegas> where is she from? > sorry > I was on the other window <Eva Alcalde Venegas> say hello to Mary! > Mary is from Zambia, living in Senegal <Eva Alcalde Venegas> nice! <Eva Alcalde Venegas> hope to meet her > Hey, Cheikh, you are also in Senegal, aren't you? > Cheikh? <Eva Alcalde Venegas> i think cheikh is bussy > yeah, looks like that <cheikh> sorry guys <cheikh> I was discussing whith some friends > yes, I just figured out that Mary is also in Dakar! <cheikh> yes I'm in senegal <cheikh> k <cheikh> me too > she is in Yoff Leyanne <cheikh> ok <cheikh> it's not too far from me > where are you? <cheikh> Parcelles Asainies <Eva Alcalde Venegas> no ide! <cheikh> I'll try to contact her <cheikh> is she actually online? > yes > but she cant join this chat room <cheikh> is it possible to have her on yahoo or ... > do you have gmail? > that's funny <cheikh> yes > on one screen it says "do you have yahoo" and no answer > on the other one it said "do you have gmail" > so you do, cool <cheikh> cheikhmamina@gmail.com > mmutupa on yahoo <cheikh> ok <cheikh> I'll try to invite her > and also mmutupa on gmail [Sun May 25 18:52:02 CEST 2008] Francisco <Francisco> internet problems <Francisco> :S > I was suggesting that you do some of the visits together > unless you already finished <Francisco> got to go guys <Francisco> see you soon! <Francisco> enjoy your work > take care! <cheikh> ok kjell we'll try to do it <Francisco> bye :) > ok, Cheikh and Eva if you have no other questions we can leave it at that > anything else to say? > ok then, good to talk to you all, take care!
